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Dec 01

Dwight Howard and the Clippers

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Via D.J. Foster of ClipperBlog:

Get ready to give up one thing almost definitely: Chris Kaman and his 12.7 million dollar expiring contract. New Orleans or Orlando will want the cap room, and Kaman is the only current contract big enough to make the salaries match. DeAndre [Jordan] might get close, but we’ll have to wait and see.

Be ready to give up this as well: Minnesota’s 2012 unprotected first round pick. If Carmelo Anthony took a first round pick and two second rounders, you can pretty much kiss Minnesota’s pick goodbye in any blockbuster trade. I’ll have to double-check this, but the Clippers should be unable to trade their own 2013 first round pick due to the Stepien Rule. Since Boston holds the rights to the Clippers 2012 pick (top 10 protected), the Clippers shouldn’t be able to deal away their 2013 selection since that would make back-to-back years with traded first rounders. The soonest available first round pick of their own available for trade should be their 2014 pick. It’s also worth noting that the Clippers have traded (with strict stipulations) their second round picks until 2017. Long story short: That Minnesota pick would have to be gone.

Now for the Dwight Howard-to-Los Angeles rumors. And we’re not talking about the Lakers.

Chris Broussard of ESPN.com reported on Monday that the Los Angeles Clippers are willing to do whatever it takes to acquire Howard (and Chris Paul for that matter). The lone stipulation is that the Clippers won’t trade Blake Griffin to make room for Howard. And that makes sense, given that for Los Angeles to be an attractive destination for Howard, Griffin needs to be on the roster.

Casual fans may scoff at the idea that Howard would consider the Clippers, given that they are the red-headed stepchild of the Lakers and that, you know, they’re the Clippers. But let’s not get it twisted. Griffin is a game-changer. The problem is that Donald Sterling is the owner. Sterling is notorious for not only being cheap (caring more about earning a profit than winning) but also for allegedly being racist towards players.

As tantalizing a trade package involving a likely top-five pick in a loaded 2012 NBA Draft may be, not to mention acquiring a young blossoming player like Eric Gordon among other assets, it comes down to whether or not Howard would be willing to commit long-term to Los Angeles despite the Sterling factor. Sure, general manager Otis Smith could trade Howard to the Clippers regardless if he commits to them or not.

However, it would ultimately fall on Los Angeles to make the decision to risk trading for Howard without a guarantee he re-signs. If the Clippers decide to take that chance (like the Nets did with Deron Williams), then Smith would have a trade partner. More importantly, with news of New Jersey’s interest in Howard, Smith also would have leverage and the ability to drive up the price for the big fella in a trade. And needless to say, if the Orlando Magic make the choice to trade Howard away, ownership needs to make sure that they get as much in return as possible.

The last thing the franchise needs is a repeat of 1996.

16 comments
Mateus Fregonassi
Mateus Fregonassi

I think the Clippers are the best option for a trade.

I'd consider something like:

Magic gets: Eric Gordon (Clippers), Eric Bledsoe (Clippers), DeAndre Jordan (Clippers) and Thaddeus Young (Sixers) + Wolves 2012 1st round pick + Clippers 2012 1st round pick + Sixers 2012 1st round pick

Clippers gets: Dwight Howard (Magic), Hedo Turkoglu (Magic) and Chris Duhon (Magic) + trade adjustments.

Sixers gets: Chris Kaman (Clippers) + trade adjustments

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The Magic would then have 4 first round picks in the next draft (good class) and could trade Bass for another one in the late first round.

Nelson / Gordon / Young / Anderson / Jordan
Bledsoe / Redick / Q-Rich / Harper / Orton
+ Liggins, Clark

A weak team to advance to the playoffs, but a decent rebuilding unit.

Also, the team would have a lot of cap space for the next years, trading 2 big contracts, a bad one and using the amnesty to waive Arenas.

jibbs
jibbs

76ers aren't trading Thad Young and their 1st rounder for Kaman's expiring deal, guy. And the Clips can't trade their pick. (I think there was an article about that somewhere...)
If Orl gets a Clips offer, it won't be more than Jordan/Gordon/Minn's 1st. That's two top-flight assets (Gordon and the 1st) plus a decent one (Jordan). More than the Wolves got for KG, or the Jazz/Nugs got for their stars last year (granted Dwight's better than Deron/Melo). The Magic don't have leverage so don't expect any time to give you the farm. Even the Lakers only got a prospect (Butler) and two overpaid vets (Odom and Grant) for their top-5 player (Shaq).

Mateus Fregonassi
Mateus Fregonassi

If the Clippers can't send a 2012 pick, they can send a 2013 pick, no problem. The Magic won't rebuild in just one season.

Also, about T. Young, I agree with you it's unlikely. But you have to start with an unlikely trade to make it happen and be a sucessful trade.

You adjust as much as you can. If the other teams can propose deals like the Nets did, the Magic can also ask more than it's likely to happen.

Eric
Eric

With all due respect, that team will never, ever, being able to compete with the Heat. And I personally don't want to Magic to be an also ran that ekes into the playoffs every year but never has a shot at a championship. I think that the Lakers and Bynum as of now, are the only shot the Magic have of returning as championship contenders in the near future. I may change my opinion as other trade scenarios  come into play. 

Mateus Fregonassi
Mateus Fregonassi

Trade Dwight = no contending.
Bynum won't change that.

Trade Dwight = rebuild mode.
To rebuild, with young players with great potential like Gordon, Young, Anderson and Jordan plus 4 first round picks the Magic will be contenting soon enough.

Gordon has the potential to be an All-Star caliber player. Great scorer with defensive potential.

Young is athletic and dynamic. Defense is already there, good rebounder, can play the strech 4.

DeAndre Jordan has the potential to be the second best defensive center in the NBA.

With 4 first round picks, and the Wolves picks has a good chance to be #1 in this scenario, the Magic will be the new Thunder soon enough.

But taking Bynum will change what? No picks, no young talent except for Bynum.

Contend or rebuild. Everything between is lame. Why go to the playoffs if you have no chances at all?

Mateus Fregonassi
Mateus Fregonassi

I really think Kaman is comparable to Bynum and a better player than Nene/Chandler/West.

But there is no good discussion without disagreements :)

Thank you too, Eric!

Eric
Eric

I think you need to reassess your evaluation of Kamen. In ESPN exhaustive rankings of NBA players Kamen came in at a respectable 88. While all the other players you listed came in above him. Chandler 75, West 45, Chandler 37 and Bynum ahead of them all at 30. Now those rankings aren't authoritative, but they are the accumulated wisdom of a lot of experts. I haven't looked up the advanced stats, but I suspect they would agree with the experts. As for the assertion that Bynum is being propped up by Kobe I think its the opposite. Kobe was the worst ball hog in the NBA last season with a usage rate of 35.3%. Add Pau in the mix and Bynum definitely hasn't got a chance to show what he can do on the offensive end. So I guess we will have to agree to disagree on Kamen. But I want to end my post with a thank you for discussing the topic with me in a intelligent manner. Its good to see basketball being discussion again:)

Mateus Fregonassi
Mateus Fregonassi

Bynum missed as much games as Kaman.

Also, it's a lot easier to play with a great player like Kobe in a team coached by a HoF like P-Jax.

You can compare to how Nash made J-Rich look amazing in the Suns and how poorly he produced last season in the Magic uniform. Nelson is no Nash and J-Rich numbers dropped drastically.

Kaman is one of the best centers in the NBA. I'm not saying he's a top 5 player, but he's one of the best. He's better than Nene/Chandler/West, the three most coveted players in the free agency right now.

Also, Kaman has a valuable expiring contract.

jibbs
jibbs

btw, I don't exactly like a Bynum-Dwight swap, but Bynum has had PERs of no less than 20 the last five years, with the a high of 22.5 and loads more win shares than Kaman. Also Bynum is 23.

jibbs
jibbs

Wait, Kaman is one of the best centers in the NBA? Kaman who has never had a PER above 17 (that's about the league average), who had exactly .8 win shares last year, who's almost 30, has missed more than half of two of the last three seasons, and who makes $13 mil a year?

I see we have a fantasy player on our hands.

Mateus Fregonassi
Mateus Fregonassi

IMO, getting Bynum and Odom is good for reaching the Eastern Conference Semifinals. But I can't see the Magic beating the Knicks, the Bulls or the Heat without Dwight.

The best way to rebuild is getting young talent. The Bulls tried to rebuild and just did it by drafting Rose.

In this scenario, the Magic would have like 4 picks and a young core of Gordon, Young, Jordan and Anderson, plus Orton, Harper, Liggins and Bledsoe.

Ok, it's just speculation, but the Clippers part make sense for both teams. And Kaman is one of the best centers in the NBA (IMO, better than Bynum) and I think the Sixers could accept that with further negotiations with the Clippers (maybe a future pick involved).

Eric
Eric

Well Mateus if the Magic were to deal Howard to the Lakers they would't just get back Bynum. Most likely a deal would include Lamar Odom as well as salary cap relief in getting rid of Hedo. So it just wouldn't be Bynum. Also your trade example is purely hypothetical right now. Furthermore I don't think Sixers would make the deal. There a young and upcoming team, I don't think it makes sense to add an older, slow, injury prone player. It just doesn't fit with their play style. I also think you overestimate DeAndre Jordan potential. He's 24 years old right now and last year averaged 7 pts and 7 rbs per game and shoots ft worse than Dwight. I think at this point he is what he is, an athletic defender who is an offensive non factor outside of 5ft from the basket. I suppose the Magic could get really lucky again and get a top 3 pick and land another franchise player but there is a reason why the draft lottery is called a lottery.

I recognize that having Bynum isn't a guarantee that the Magic would be championship contenders. He is injury prone and there is a not insignificant chance that he could pull a Oden and become useless to the Magic. But there is a chance that he could average 20 and 12 for the Magic. He's 7 feet and 280 pounds. Centers like that are very rare to come by. Also Odom is getting older but he would still be a tremendous upgrade for our front line. Unlike our other power forwards he could actually be a defensive net positive. Al Horford wouldn't of abused him last year in the playoffs like he did Bass and Anderson.

I would agree you that a team should either contend or rebuild. But a lot of teams have been bottom feeders for a while, Minn, Mil, Cha, Sac, ect. And still suck, and will probably suck for the foreseeable future. I mean look how long it took the Bulls to rebuild. I think that preferable to take a chance on contending now, and if things do work out then blow up.

casey
casey

Yea so can we hear trade scenario's & free-agent signings that will keep Dwight in Orlando instead of what everybody else is writing/talking about?? Can the Magic afford Tyson Chandler, Nene or David West if the Magic throw Ryan Anderson & Brandon Bass in on an offer/signing? Can the Magic dump Hedo's contract with JJ Redick to make cap space? Can the Magic acquire somebody this year to make them look more attractive to Darrin & Chris this summer? If so, then who? How is Gilbert's knee? Has anybody seen him play lately? Should the Magic use the amnesty rule on Hedo or Gilbert? How is Daniel Orton's health/improvement? Did he gain ALL that weight back & is he considered a bust yet? Should the Magic make a run for Jamal Crawford and or do they have the ability to do so? I'm sure if the Magic can get another significant dominating player now, they'll have their pick out of Darrin or Chris this summer, right?

Allen Buckley
Allen Buckley

Eric Gordon and the Minnesota pick is a good start.  Throw in DeAndre Jordan and I don't see a team out there that can offer a better package.  Add in the fact that Dwight gets to play in a big market and I think it's a win-win for both sides if he tells Otis he wants to leave.

Carlo Simone
Carlo Simone

I like what the Clippers are thinking of offering more than what the Nets are offering.  NBA GMs, give us your best shots.

But honestly, does the combination of Howard and Griffin make sense for LAC?  Blake doesn't exactly stretch the floor for Dwight.

Mateus Fregonassi
Mateus Fregonassi

Griffin will develop into the best offensive big man in the NBA.
Dwight is the best defensive big man in the NBA.

Yeah... it makes much sense. Even without stretching the floor.

They would be freaking dominant together.